Saturday, August 22, 2015

When will you retire.....???

 It has happened to me both ways - Friends ask me "when will you retire?" and I ask my friends, "when will you retire?"
 
Discussions on the topic of retirement with friends always lead to another related question for which it is very difficult to find an answer - "why do old people continue to work in professional environment / corporate world, as if there is no end in life?"

I have come across many people in my career till date, well past 75 years and still working. Inquisitively, I have discussed with them and got a variety of explanations. I always have awe for them, their energy levels, and for their passion towards work. You try to understand what drives them to work, how they sustain their interest to keep working, but end up getting more questions than answers.

Once I picked up a conversation with a retired senior banker, who post-retirement, had taken up an assignment in the corporate world.

I asked him "Sir, why do you take up an assignment in the corporate world after you have retired happily from the Bank and that too being in a senior position."
 
"What do you do after retirement? There is a vacuum which gets created in my day. With no daily routine, what will I do at home during the day. I cannot stay at home. I had interacted with people during by bank days. Now, I cannot just stop meeting people. When I take up this assignment in corporate world, at least it ensures that you meet people around".
"Sir, what about your children?"

The Banker replied "I have two sons; the elder one is married and settled in USA. The other son is working in Delhi and also married. I have finished my parental commitments".

This reply from the banker, set my thoughts to the next question, which I obviously did not ask - "Why can't this gentleman, who has retired from his Banking career, completed all his personal commitments and is physically active, take up any work for a social cause or just do what he likes most, instead of working in the corporate world. All his requirements which he thought the corporate assignment would provide will also be met when you take up any social work of your liking". 
 
One can understand if a Chairman/ Founder of a large corporate group or a professional business attends office, maybe for limited hours, even when is well past 75 years. This would be primarily because of his passion and attachment to the business which he had built from scratch. This can be seen in most of the first generation entrepreneurs who have built large business groups in India and they never retire completely.

You will also come across, other professionals, who have worked with a company for more than 50 years and because of their passion to continue working, even if they have crossed 75 years, would be engaged in work in the corporate world. This can be seen in corporates which have been promoted by entrepreneurs and these individuals would be associated with the company and close to the Promoters from very early stage.

Let us get into basics - What is retirement? It can be explained to be a time of superannuation, when your company or firm decides that your services are no more required due to you reaching retirement age - it could range between 58 - 65 years.

Another way of looking at retirement is - to say that you have reached a point when you do not look forward to your next month's salary cheque or you have reached a point in life, when all your commitments in life have been completed - it could be family commitments or any other professional commitments. And this point in life could come maybe at 60 years or even earlier or later, depending on various circumstances of an individual.

Let us explore two examples on what can be done post-retirement. One example is about a person with whom I have interacted and the other is a well-known personality, and known to everyone in India and abroad.

Example-1: Mr.Subramanian, a barber by profession, has his saloon in Ram Nagar, Coimbatore. During one of my many interactions with him, the question of retirement came up. His reply has been an eye-opener to me. He mentioned that once his daughters are married, his personal commitments would be complete. He would then go and work at a children orphanage ("Uthavum Karangal") by doing hair cutting to the kids in the orphanage. He also said that the kind of mental satisfaction and peace one would get by working at the orphanage needs to be experienced.
 
Example-2: Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam, former President of India and popularly known as "People's President" was a great teacher and loved teaching kids and the youth of India. If we track his career, after his official retirement from professional life at DRDO and ISRO, he continued doing, what he liked the most - teaching. And the teaching assignments he undertook were not for any commercial reason or with the motive of earning. It was his pure love for the teaching profession and by doing so; he was actually involved in helping and igniting young Indians. He breathed his last, teaching students at IIM, Shillong. A great man, a great soul.

The above two examples show us the path which may be taken upon retirement. The fundamental factors from the above examples which stand out are -

(i)  The activity you take up after retirement, is no way an extension of your professional life or corporate world where you work for material benefits and personal enrichment.

(ii)  You engage in an activity, which you like the most to do, but without the goal of any professional gain or monetary benefit. You use your professional skills or your professional experience to contribute to the society or share your experience or knowledge for doing social work for the larger benefit of society.

Doing social work or contributing to the society can be in various forms - teaching, working for any social cause, any philanthropic activity, using professional skills to educate the needy or any serve the needy. Even it could be just enjoying your hobby, or any art form - for the benefit of the society or just for your own joy!!

In today's world, there is no end to commercialism and materialism. One friend used to tell me, "You actually go to the next level of incompetency, when you reach the next level in corporate life". Think of it and you realize, how true it is.

The biggest challenge for many of us - "When do you say ‘yes', this is enough. I have achieved and earned what is required for me and my family". There is a very thin line which divides us to decide either way.

Even Bill Gates, a very successful entrepreneur and founder of Microsoft, decided to call it a day at Microsoft and moved on in life. He switched from moving out of the corporate world to do social work and philanthropic activity full time (at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation).

We can try and build clarity of mind to fix a time frame, after which we move on from the corporate world or profession to doing social work, or doing what we love to do for the benefit of the society, or just pursuing your hobby.

Maybe we should spare some time thinking about it…..

To conclude, I felt the two quotes of Mahatma Gandhi below are apt here -
 

“The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

 
“The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems”
- Mahatma Gandhi
 
 
-  Venkatesh
 
 
Note: This post may not be relevant for many first generation entrepreneurs, more so in the IT space, who have earned billions of Dollars even before they have one strand of grey hair (possibly before they reach age of 35 years!!!!!). But I am sure the concept of retirement will be true to them too….
 



15 comments:

  1. Good thought. I also want to retire. When???? . What to do after retirement? Don't want to be idle. So plan to select social work. What kind of social work? Again I don't want to enter into any work which I don't know. So select accounting/software profession. Again keep on updating development in the field to provide good service to the network in a different platform. Call it as social service ???.Then will it be called as retirement. Definitely answer is no. So moving the life in different pattern with an emphasis on passion. Here vitamin - M is not the criteria.

    Let us meet on one day . You have same thought which resembles to my life pattern. I now settled in India.

    vairavan

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  2. in my trip to kenya i met an indian CA settled in australia. he is more than 55 years. He is retired. 4 months in a year he travels across the world. This year he is travelling from Egypt to South Africa over land, alone

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  3. I would like to retire tomorrow. I can do lot of stuff outside of work or even do the work outside your 9to5 workplace for fun. Your bank balance is what determines retirement.

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  4. Thought provoking. ..very apt thought...if only more people thought this way our country would be a much better place.

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  6. I tend to agree with Senthil. Financial status is a very important factor deciding what you do after retirement. Even if you decide to work, its not a unilateral decision; your skills must be in demand to get you an assignment. This can not be taken for granted.

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  7. I tend to agree with Senthil. Financial status is a very important factor deciding what you do after retirement. Even if you decide to work, its not a unilateral decision; your skills must be in demand to get you an assignment. This can not be taken for granted.

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  8. Hi Venkatesh! Good article. I wish i can retire early and do things i like. But don't know when to say enough! Financially of course. Then next question is where to live? Based on one of our senior who moved from US to India after 40 years and living in Shenbagam Estates, Coimbatore sounds interesting.

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  9. Venkatesh, good one. retire from employment / profession and give back to society at some point of time, when money is not that important and life is free from commitments. Never "retire". If you really retire, body / health will give up, thinking its no longer required.

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  10. Hi PV,

    For most 'middle-class' Indians, the state of 'retirement' is a mirage.

    Going by one of your definitions, retirement is when you no longer need to look forward to receiving that monthly pay check. Wow!

    Unless you answer to the name of Tata or Chhota Shakeel, chances are that you have to work your backside off throughout your 'useful' life trying on one hand to secure a decent living for your family while on the other, servicing several loans simultaneously - to wit, your own education loan, marriage loan, home loan, childrens' education loan...... you get the drift.

    All this with a salary and periodic increments that barely keep pace with the cost of living and a "zero balance" salary account where the balance unfailingly hits zero on or before the 10th of every month!

    My dear PV, if you don't see grey strands in the hair of the nouveau riche, I suspect it is really thanks to Garnier and L'Oreal.

    You seem to support the quaint notion that people should not opt for gainful employment after retirement but should really be following in the noble footsteps of Ramnagar Subbu and start cutting kids' hair for free in orphanages. Hmmmm........

    Believe me, I would love to do this too if someone took care of my bills each month! (By the way, hair cutting is not rocket science that we need to apprentice under the likes of Dr. Kalam at DRDO; I dare say we will do alright after a few snips).

    And the good Dr.Kalam did not have a family to support and could afford to lecture others on dreaming big.

    PV, lets wake up and smell the neighbour's coffee.... this is India, where the government doesn't give a tinker's damn about its senior citizens unlike in some prosperous countries in the west.

    Regardless of what rosy verbal picture we paint to nosy people who ask these questions, I know we work only because we HAVE to. I've lost count of the number of people who've told me they would like to retire at 45 yet keep at it until they pop off.

    Our kids have little time for us since they are running the same rat race that we once did.

    We still have to repay the loans we took 5 years ago to marry off our daughter to that techie from Google whose father assured us when he laid his greedy paws on the dowry that his son would be the next Pichai.

    The daughter-in-law persuades the son to persuade us in turn to part with the PF and gratuity that we got at retirement to help set up an 'own business' for them. There....we just kissed goodbye to the 'interest' from 'FD' that we were banking on.

    The long-suffering middle-class take pause at retirement and realise that while they slaved for over 40 years, they saved precious little for themselves. Alas, this realisation often comes too late, but they manfully strive to do whatever they can to stay afloat in the evening of their lives.

    Do you really think that when we are pushing 60, we would choose to get up each morning, pick up the 'Thair Sadam' dabba that the wife dutifully prepares, and change two buses to get to work just to 'make money' if we had the option of staying home and writing soul-satisfying poetry we know nobody will read anyway? Do you really?

    O where is the time to retire?
    To rest awhile and to stare
    Or to cut unsuspecting childrens'hair??
    Pray tell me PV, where?????


    Srini :))

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  11. A very nice additional to your blog series, Venkatesh. Interesting topic because people are thinking of retirement in 30s and 40s, these days. I recently watched this new Hindi movie called 'Manjhi The mountain man'. He spent nearly twenty years to cut through a mountain using a hammer and chisel to shorten the walking distance from his village to a hospital from 70+ kms to 1 Km. For Dasarath Manji, this gave him complete peace of mind. And I think peace of mind is what retirement is all about. Finding that one or two things that will eventually make you feel at peace.

    Keep those blogs coming! From a fan.

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  12. Hi,
    you always complain, that I don't read your blogs. This time I could make it. You have put all your thoughts in the article. Well written article. Once personal commitments are over and they (our parents/children) no longer need you (for parents - emotional and physical support in their old age, for children - financial and security support for girts) you should retire and live life in contributing to the society. To achieve this, we need to keep our lifestyle simple and modest. Remember, both of us have female child and need to support them in the form of education, marriage ( as srini rightly put it) and physically. While we may have matured and broad mined ideas regarding female child but society is not ripe enough to understand . Let's face the life as it unwinds.

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  13. PV, many compliments to you on the choice of such an interesting topic to write upon…. something that would evoke an opinion in every reader.

    Retirement, in my opinion, is not a phase in life but just an event that most individuals have to undergo due to the nature of their job or rules that govern the organizations they had worked for.

    Though it is linked to a date or age… should it really be like that? Why should someone ‘Retire’ anyway…..!!

    As you had rightly pointed out, people who have run (first time or otherwise) businesses can never fully ‘retire’ from work. They are emotionally connected to their business forever.

    One such example is Mr. Subramaniam from your blog… but why would he have to ‘Retire’ to do what he wants to do close to his passion and heart. Passion being what does the best and heart being the difference he wants to make to the needy.

    Your second fundamental factor pretty much outlines what I am referring to here… but do you have to retire to do this? We come across many people who do things closer to their heart right from an early age and until they can, without actually waiting for an event such as ‘Retirement’.

    So, IMHO… don’t ever think of Retirement…!!!

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  14. Venki,
    Interesting perspective!!!
    In my opinion, two or three months after retirement (after honey moon phase) anyone or I will do same what I have been doing today during the weekend, if you are plugged in today with volunteer service or an organization, you will do the same amount or some extension of it, I bet your subramanian barber will be doing the same job, now his excuse would be something else for his shop still open.

    You cannot 'gel in' in a place where you have not stepped in before. With aging and our ego firmly in place, you will try doing the volunteer service or visit orphanage after your 'retirement', you will leave after first few attempts, if our brain/mind is wired to receive money and recognition for our work unless you are like MG or MLK or AK who did their service throughout their life, doesn't matter what thrown at them everyday.

    Even funny, there are few might say, will do free teaching or help village kids to get basic education or will go spiritual, sorry you are fooling yourself if you have not done this before retirement, YOU AINT GOING ANYWHERE or DOING anything different my friend, I can bet my retirement on this :-)

    Dhandu

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